Twitter or Bitter?

[Power Lunch Club]

Fact is they're social networking tools. Networking online, like networking offline, is not a basic sales tool - it's about developing relationships, long-term genuine relationships, and that takes time, commitment and devotion. It's not an easy sell and they're not direct sales tools.

Well done, really good reply to the thread....and your spot on about long term relationships being important.

It ties up with an article I published yesterday on our website...about focusing on the relationships with your customers and why you have to look after them. They are as important to business and they are in our normal lives. We cannot function without good relationships.

Romancing Your Clients | The Power Lunch Club

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[NorthSouthMedia]

Why do you assume I'm "having a go" at anyone? All I'm doing is adding a little fill and backlight to something that's currently illuminated by a single glaring spot!



I'd venture to disagree with that... The hundreds of spam emails I receive every week promoting 'social media' as a business platform. The articles I've read in business publications; even the fact that my neighbourhood LEC has engaged the services of a male "Marjorie Dawes" to try to persuade us all to start Twittering away like budgies.....

All these things tend to suggest otherwise....



Which says more about the demographics of Twitter than it does about it's general effectiveness. A more pertinent question would be who still hasn't heard of Moonfruit? Followed closely by who doesn't give a stuff about Moonfruit?



Actually; those that 'get it' will just 'get it'.

At the age of about 14 I 'discovered' that replacing the standard bearings in my skateboard with those meant for a vacuum cleaner motor made it run much faster.... Made myself a small fortune (relatively speaking) that summer tuning up skateboards. And at that point in time Skateboarding was big money with magazines and specialist shops popping up all over the place....

Guess how much any of that matters now? At the time it was cooler than a chilled thing on a snowy day. But once the fuss had died down and the novelty had worn off....

Been neglecting my posts on SBF.

OK first things first, I don't spam twitter. Nowhere near it. I actually use it has a communication tool rather then a link bank, that's not to say I don't drop links, but they are for traffic value only.

I mostly use the services of bit.ly to shorten my url's, so I can see how many times a tweet has been impressioned and actually clicked on.

I like the skateboarding analogy, but tbh, skateboarding is STILL a big thing, just because it died off in your neck off the woods (or your day-to-day living) doesn't mean the World forgot about it.

The thing with Twitter is it ain't going nowhere fast, neither is any of the other BIG social media sites -- if you were to believe the reports coming out from Nielson then people are actually going to be spending upto 50% of their browsing time - next year - on facebook, twitter et al.

Look, im not highlighting posts to pick, picky things with peeps, just stating my opinion.

When you've been involved with ppc (pills, pron and casinos) for awhile then you get targetted as a spammer - like a few posters have done with myself in this thread ... fair enough, s'ppose, but have something concrete to back it up with, that's all

 

[Former Member 1]

When you've been involved with ppc (pills, pron and casinos) for awhile then you get targetted as a spammer - like a few posters have done with myself in this thread ... fair enough, s'ppose, but have something concrete to back it up with, that's all

Are you trying to be funny pal?

Pills Porn and Casinos? Who the hell do you think you're talking to? :angry::angry:

 

[NorthSouthMedia]

Are you trying to be funny pal?

Pills Porn and Casinos? Who the hell do you think you're talking to? :angry::angry:

Er, You! Incase im mistaken. I've been involved with PPC - mostly that is how I make my money - and quite a decent living as well.

 

[Former Member 1]

Er, You! Incase im mistaken.

So you've got f-ing cheek to accuse ME of being involved in Pills Porn and Casinos????

Where do you think you get off accusing people of something like that?

 

[NorthSouthMedia]

So you've got f-ing cheek to accuse ME of being involved in Pills Porn and Casinos????

Where do you think you get off accusing people of something like that?

read my thread again - I NEVER accused you!

Keep the heid son and don't get big hard man talk, either. there's nothing worse than showing yourself up on a public forum.

I was relating to myself being involved in that business - not you!

 

[Former Member 1]

Er, You! Incase im mistaken. I've been involved with PPC - mostly that is how I make my money - and quite a decent living as well.

....Not what you originally posted.

YOU might think this is a 'DECENT' living. I don't. And it's certainly not a depth to which I'd sink just to make a few quid... I can do that with bells on without getting my hands dirty or resorting to pissing about on some virtual kiddies playground....

 

[NorthSouthMedia]

....Not what you originally posted.

YOU might think this is a 'DECENT' living. I don't. And it's certainly not a depth to which I'd sink just to make a few quid... I can do that with bells on without getting my hands dirty or resorting to pissing about on some virtual kiddies playground....

Now your really getting on my nerves.

1. I dont do pron but i do work within the ppc industry (pills, pron & casinos) if you knew anything in the slightest about me - you would understand that but no you fling about wild accusations because I mentioned pron within the same langiage as ppc - if you knew anything of the industry - even a smidgen you wouldn't even DARE attempt to tar me with that.

2. I posted originally - "Er, You! Incase im mistaken." because you were one of the ones which made the little 'rollseyes' childish comments about spamming - in relation to myself - I NEVER said you did ppc - judging from your responses - thank god I never.

3. If you want to slag me off further then lets take this offline - you can get my personal details from my site - I don't do public slanging matches.

 

[Former Member 1]

read my thread again - I NEVER accused you!

Keep the heid son and don't get big hard man talk, either. there's nothing worse than showing yourself up on a public forum.

I was relating to myself being involved in that business - not you!

Thanks for the clarification. Try a semblance of punctuation next time you're pulling someone else's post apart and then chose to move into contentious territory...

As for the 'advice'... "Showing yourself up"?

The only thing I'll show myself up as is someone who doesn't stand for abuse. I've had plazzy gangstas threaten me as the result of posts on here. Barrack room lawyers threaten to sue me, daft wee boys that think they're forensic experts threaten to 'expose' me.... And that's only on THIS forum!

As I said in my skateboarding analogy; These things will find their level. If that happens to be swilling around in the sewage that is your beloved Pills Porn and Casinos well that's neither surprising nor remarkable... Most people would realise that's really NOT good for business and distance themselves from it....

 

[NorthSouthMedia]

Thanks for the clarification. Try a semblance of punctuation next time you're pulling someone else's post apart and then chose to move into contentious territory...

As for the 'advice'... "Showing yourself up"?

The only thing I'll show myself up as is someone who doesn't stand for abuse. I've had plazzy gangstas threaten me as the result of posts on here. Barrack room lawyers threaten to sue me, daft wee boys that think they're forensic experts threaten to 'expose' me.... And that's only on THIS forum!

As I said in my skateboarding analogy; These things will find their level. If that happens to be swilling around in the sewage that is your beloved Pills Porn and Casinos well that's neither surprising nor remarkable... Most people would realise that's really NOT good for business and distance themselves from it....

I'm nether a plazzy gangster, barrack room layer or a daft wee boy again i'll reiterate - if you knew ANTHING about the industry then please comment - I don't do pron but I do betting and weight loss - so that makes me sewage mat'l then, according to your judgement - what about bingo sites - they sewage or weight watchers - they sewage?

You'd be suprised at who operates within the market.

 

[Former Member 1]

Now your really getting on my nerves.

1. I dont do pron but i do work within the ppc industry (pills, pron & casinos) if you knew anything in the slightest about me - you would understand that but no you fling about wild accusations because I mentioned pron within the same langiage as ppc - if you knew anything of the industry - even a smidgen you wouldn't even DARE attempt to tar me with that.

2. I posted originally - "Er, You! Incase im mistaken." because you were one of the ones which made the little 'rollseyes' childish comments about spamming - in relation to myself - I NEVER said you did ppc - judging from your responses - thank god I never.

3. If you want to slag me off further then lets take this offline - you can get my personal details from my site - I don't do public slanging matches.

1) Yeah; whatever... I think the phrase is condemned by your own words; As far as I'm concerned ANY ONE of those three things is sewer territory... They all feed off the exploitation of human weaknesses and particularly off the weaknesses of people who's state-of-life is such they're in a psychologically vulnerable state...

I'm not the one throwing 'wild accusations' about. Your initial post was phrased in a way which seemed to infer that my being targeted for spam (as suggested in my first post on this thread) was a result of MY being involved with these things... I was quick enough to paste back your original reply to my reaction; BEFORE you edited it!

2) No I didn't... There is ONE emoticon in relation to a quote by you in the response to YOUR post in which you accused me of "having a go"... It's the 'embarassment' Icon. Reflecting that I regretted your mis-interpretation of what I had written

There is another at the bottom of the page relating to another quote from someone else. But as these emoticons are so childish maybe we should have disable them?

3) No; if there's something to be 'discussed' I'll do it here in public.

I'm nether a plazzy gangster, barrack room layer or a daft wee boy

Are you twisting what I wrote or failing to understand it? I never said you were any of those things... What I said was I've dealt with everything on this forum from people who (masquerading as bigshot business people) issued threats of violence through to daft wee boys and silly old men who thought they were Perry Mason'... That's quite a wide range of people who were 'shown up' for what they were...

again i'll reiterate - if you knew ANTHING about the industry then please comment - I don't do pron but I do betting and weight loss - so that makes me sewage mat'l then, according to your judgement - what about bingo sites - they sewage or weight watchers - they sewage?

You'd be suprised at who operates within the market.

No actually I wouldn't. The corporate video business is just a small part of what I do. I run another company that produces and researches investigative documentaries. I've spent quite a bit of time researching stories on the subject of DodgyDiet Pills and Online Gambling for a wide range of news agencies...

And I'm well aware of the abject misery and even physical damage that can be done by many diet pills. Peptic ulcers caused by Hoodia based preparations, Lower bowel prolapses due to Chitosan... Nervous disorders cause through high caffine doses... So-called 'herbal' tablets containing dangerous levels of Chromium... I've seen the effects first hand. Likewise with gambling sites; I've a recent interview on tape with a guy from Kirkintlloch who's wife was reduced to prostitution to feed their kid... He spent all their benefits money playing online Poker; convinced he was up for the big win...

Weight Watchers and the mainstream Bingo providers would be as keen as I am to distance themselves from the 'PPC industry'. Not that I hold these in particularly high regard either...

My Original point was that:

For me, my brief 'foray' into Twitter has been nothing more than a random Spam generator... I've now blocked any email that even mentions 'twitter' from my system...

I went on to add...

'Fraid the only thing I got out of Twitter (and Facebook) were a lot of 'special offers' on Viagra and mail order brides... (do they deflate them for posting I wonder or just crate 'em up?).....

And that is FACT! I've certainly done nothing to solicit that sort of material. I'm offended by it. But that's EXACTLY what spending a few days 'hooked up' to both Twitter and Facebook precipitated....

When you've been involved with ppc (pills, pron and casinos) for awhile then you get targetted as a spammer

NOT that I'm holding you in any way personally responsible for my experience with these platforms. But you're at the same time and advocate of these platforms and a self-confessed PPC pusher.... As I said; these things will find their level. All you've done is demonstrate where that level is....

 

[NorthSouthMedia]

On the Twitter front, you have followed the wrong person(s) - if their spamming your timeline - quite simple thing to do is 'Block Them'. And be careful who you follow - never blind follow a person, check them out, as you would do in real life.

On the documentaries front - I know their is hardship to be found in weight loss and gambling but that can be said for any other industry as well.

People just can't be tarred with the same brush, life doesn't work that way and I'm sure you know that.

 

[Former Member 1]

HARDship? HARDship? .... Sorry; I don't see many corner shops, accountancy practices, clothes stores, PR firms, printers or electricians who's day -to-daY products and services can leave people with serious health problems or drive them to the very lowest depths in terms of financial crisis...

PPC isn't a 'tarrry brush' it's a filthy industry that feeds of human misery....

As I say; my experience of being spammed by these types was a simple consequence of my registration. NOT because I'd in any way attached myself to unsavoury characters...

Yes; these types can be blocked but so what? There's an old saying... If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas...

 

[NorthSouthMedia]

HARDship? HARDship? .... Sorry; I don't see many corner shops, accountancy practices, clothes stores, PR firms, printers or electricians who's day -to-daY products and services can leave people with serious health problems or drive them to the very lowest depths in terms of financial crisis...

PPC isn't a 'tarrry brush' it's a filthy industry that feeds of human misery....

As I say; my experience of being spammed by these types was a simple consequence of my registration. NOT because I'd in any way attached myself to unsavoury characters...

Yes; these types can be blocked but so what? There's an old saying... If you lie down with dogs you get up with fleas...

Haha you make me laugh you really do.

I told you I don't do public slanging matches but for you son I'm going to make an exception!

Listen to yourself so full of pious morality. When if you look under the cover - you are in fact a 'Misery Chaser' by your own admission. Looking for people's anguish to document then stamp your name across it.

The gloves are off now ... bring it!

 

[Former Member 1]

Haha you make me laugh you really do.

That's nice for you. I must get you a copy of the footage of woman from Ardrossan left in agony by an anal fissure which is the result of a bowel prolapse due to using diet pills; I'm sure you'd find her absolutely hysterical...

Gloves are off.... Ha! Don't "Son" me...

The products people like you peddle are often harmful and frequently illegal; depending on the exploitation of loopholes to evade prosecution. Likewise many gambling sites depend on circumventing rules that exist to protect people from exploitation... And at the back of both these activities is often organised crime.

I'm not chasing misery at all. It would please me greatly if there were nothing to report and I could get on with the buiness of making music documetaries and travelogues... Over 80% of the investigative work I produce is comissioned by other people, and I'm fussy about who I work for. If you see the reporting activities of organisations usch as CNN, ITN, the BBC and NBC as 'misery chasing' then I suggest that says more about what you may prefer not to come to public notice than it does about my (or any other journalists) motivations...

The whole purpose of what I do is to alert the general public to the dangers and consequences of buying into things that place them at risk. And of course the activities of people who very often are acting outside the law...

My name is rarely 'stamped across' my work in this respect... But what you're suggesting is rather akin to a burglar complaining about the the police chasing them up..

Now; before you go bleating about technical legalities I stress that I've no knowledge of your own part of this other than what you've admitted. And I'm not laying any allegations at your feet. But the truth about the Porn, Pills and Casinos 'industry' is that it's the sad sordid underbelly of the business world. You may be 'happy' to exist in and profit from that sort of work... I'm certainly not.

 

[NorthSouthMedia]

The products people like you peddle

I don't peddle any drugs, I designed an ecommerce site for a company and ran an seo campaign for them- hardly peddling.

I'm not chasing misery at all.

Yes you are.

My name is rarely 'stamped across' my work

But it is stamped nonetheless, and no doubt sold in some instances.

You may be 'happy' to exist in and profit from that sort of work... I'm certainly not.

Granted, but I never went all aggressive from the off like you were to me - you wanted confrontation, from the off - is that your journalistic tendincies kicking in.

Here's another thing, Newspapers sell ad space to ppc companies - is everybody involved with working within the newspaper industry tarnished as well - like your trying to do with me.

Ha! Don't "Son" me...

OK, infintile, I'll admit, but you are annoying.

 

[Former Member 1]

Ah! so now you don't peddle diet pills (or casinos) , merely provide the tools to do that job to those that do... That's alright then! Your other posts merely claimed "involvement"... I used to be a Police Officer; and frequently heard a broadly similar tack from the kids who'd 'hold' the dealer's stash for them...

Likewise the 'chasing misery' accusation... How often I've been the one causing trouble when I've lifted someone of burglary, assault, drug dealing even... No; not chasing misery, just calling those who cause it to account....

Granted, but I never went all aggressive from the off like you were to me - you wanted confrontation, from the off - is that your journalistic tendincies kicking in.

No. You're the one that initially accused me of "having a go". You later went on (deliberately or otherwise) to post in a manner that inferred I had some involvement with PPC and this was the reason for my being spammed...

As for the newspapers... Yes; some papers carry adds for this crap, and yes, they stink too! As I said, I'm fussy who I work with and work for....

 

[NorthSouthMedia]

Ah! so now you don't peddle diet pills (or casinos) , merely provide the tools to do that job to those that do... That's alright then!

Eh! Your words insuated that I was "peddling" products i.e. selling. You just need to look at my website to see Im involved within the search marketing industry ... I build, develop and promote sites.

I used to be a Police Officer; and frequently heard a broadly similar tack from the kids who'd 'hold' the dealer's stash for them...

Your way out of line, just because once you were a copper doesn't mean you hold any high ground - far from it as far as im concerned.

No; not chasing misery, just calling those who cause it to account....

Yes you do 'chase misery', you have admitted you stamp your name on it and I'll bet you have made profit from it ... you can't have it both ways - you can't denounce me as profiteering from being involved with the ppc industry and then you gaining stock by highlighting cases where someones anguish turns a coin or two for you.

to post in a manner that inferred I had some involvement with PPC and this was the reason for my being spammed...

No I never, you read the original post wrong - in fact you were so eager to jump down my throat with your angry angry faces it was obvious you were looking for confrontation.

As for the newspapers... Yes; some papers carry adds for this crap, and yes, they stink too! As I said, I'm fussy who I work with and work for....

But where does this stop, where is the line, do people who work in Chemists such as Boots - are they sewage as well for being involved with a company that sells diet pills ?

 

[Former Member 1]

Eh! Your words insuated that I was "peddling" products i.e. selling.

Eh YOUR exact words were....

've been involved with PPC - mostly that is how I make my money - and quite a decent living as well.

just because once you were a copper doesn't mean you hold any high ground - far from it as far as im concerned.

That this is your attitude to the Police doesn't surprise me in any way whatsoever... Most coppers will tell you how it's aye 'their fault' that some wee scrote's locked up in the cells.... And most wee scrotes will tell you the cops are the lowest of the low...

Yes you do 'chase misery', you have admitted you stamp your name on it and I'll bet you have made profit from it ... you can't have it both ways - you can't denounce me as profiteering from being involved with the ppc industry and then you gaining stock by highlighting cases where someones anguish turns a coin or two for you.

You're going round in the same old circles... Your chums in the PPC industry would just love it if there were no laws so they could wreak their havok... No nasty journalists sniffing around to highlight the realities of what their products do... Again, this is just the VERY same mentality that I heard from every two bit wee druggie scrote and his maw and his maw's maw.... It's never the people causing the misery that are the problem; it's the folk bringing it to book....

No I never, you read the original post wrong - in fact you were so eager to jump down my throat with your angry angry faces it was obvious you were looking for confrontation.

Which original post is this? The one where you accuse me of 'having a go'.

The one where your inept grasp of the language infers that I have been involved with Porn Pills and Casinos? And that is WHY I was spammed..

....Or the one you very quickly edited? But not quick enough for me to re-quote it as you originally posted it?

You quoted MY post in the one where you mention the involvement with PPC. And your closing sentence seems to infer three things:

1) That I am or have been involved with this sordid trade..

2) That you have been unfairly targetted in the thread...

3) And that my assertions have no foundation... i.e. lack of 'anything concrete to go on.

When I asked you who the hell you were talking to you posted....

Er, You! Incase im mistaken.

THAT was the whole post... Some minutes later you edited it to add the qualifying statement...

I didn't read what you wrote 'wrong', you wrote it wrong....

But where does this stop, where is the line, do people who work in Chemists such as Boots - are they sewage as well for being involved with a company that sells diet pills ?

I'm unaware of Boots selling anything that can be ingested that that doesn't meet the appropriate safety requirements. Similarly they do tend to have a trained pharmacist on hand. And do what they do under strict regulation and medical advice...

On the other hand your beloved chums in the PPC industry flog anything and everything wrapped up in a capsule. We've seen dog-worming tablets, carborundum powder mixed with PVA glue, diet teas containing high levels of guar gum (a substance know to cause intestinal blockage),Equine hormones, warfarin, sawdust!

The big 'legitimate' drugs companies have far-from-clean hands.... But I reckon most people wouldn't have a problem working out where the line is between the people at Boots and some nasty little snake-oil salesman flogging dangerous crap off a website is.

 

[NorthSouthMedia]

I take it this is yours : Matt Quinn (TFGtv) on Twitter

You spent a whole 15 minutes on it...

You have no followers, so no idea how your timeline was full of 'spam' as you previously said.

Yet you give this poster the following advice ...

With all that said; you've been using it what? A week? Uber-cynical as I am even I would give it quite a bit longer!

LOL

As for all the above ranting I've checked out your digital footprint with other forums and the same Matt is apparent in every one - giving abuse and throwing tantrums.

Nice choice of language you have as well "two bit wee druggie scrote"

Your the t'internets answer to Victor Meldrew.

Hell man, your probably a very clever guy but your as arrogant as hell.

As for Boots selling weight loss pills : click here

Here I'll give you the last word - heck you can have as many as you want - carry-on adding to that ranting digital footprint till you heart's content.

I'm bored and done with you!