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New Fuel Crisis for Scotland?

Boxby

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We wake up today with Headlines of Panic at the Petrol Pumps.

Apparently the Shutdown at Grangemount starts today, after 1200 worker vote for strike action over pension changes. This could leave Scotland and Northern England with fuel shortages for up to a month, given the length of time it takes to restart the plant at Grangemouth after the 2 day shutdown next week.

What does this mean for your business?

For the Courier and Haulage Industry, it's potentially lethal. Particularly following only a week after the demise of Ramage Distribution.




p.s. We need a general business forum - I had no idea where to put this post!!;)
 
frockery

frockery

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I heard about this yesterday and there have been some calming words from politicians today, but I doubt it will stop panic buying as the word is now out. People were seriously disrupted last time and won't want to be caught out again if they can help it.

Since I work from home and can minimise fuel use, it is less of a direct issue for me, but it won't take long for any fuel shortage to impact heavily on food and goods distribution and could be the final nail in the coffin for some businesses.

I am wondering about the 'contingency plans' that have been mentioned. Armed forces perhaps?


(I agree with Sandra, about the need for a general section as there are a few things that just don't fit elsewhere.)
 

Boxby

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My husband's business is House Clearances, and in an average week he covers most of the UK, and drives 1500 odd miles. His favourite "pit stop" is carlise/penrith where there are some of the cheapest fuel stations in the UK (Shhh, don't tell anyone, or they'll put the prices up!).

Fuel is the one thing that he can't do without. No Fuel, no money. Just before Christmas the RHA had a sunday protest HGV slow drive through London and the motorways, and because of the chinese whispers way our media world works, he saw panic buying all accross the UK, with whole towns completely sold out of petrol.

I think things like this hit scotland harder, as unless you live in or very near Glasgow and Edinburgh, there simply aren't the options/alternatives to do without your car. I used to live in a small village, and really noticed the complete reliance on the car. At least now we're in Girvan, metropolis it's not, but we can walk to school, the shops, the bank, and we won't starve if we can't drive anywhere for a week!
 
I will be filling both my cars to the brim later tonight... Normally I do this anyway with the Land Rover as it's daily transport/company workhorse; does about 300 miles on a tank. The Porsche will cover about 250 before I get nervy (I don't trust the quarter-centuryold fuel gauge and if you let it run out it knackers an expensive pump) ...So that's a good 500 miles before I go bankrupt :)

They're talking about a week? It's not good, but frankly I can't really blame the folk at Grangemouth....

As for Ramage; Well, Mr Broon and his band of robbing scumbags are who I see as to blame. Profiteering oil companies don't help; but then they actually SELL something at the pumps...
 
Scottish Business Owner

Scottish Business Owner

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I would agree that the fuel issue is becoming a concern, i've went out today and filled up both our cars just in case. I live about the half a mile from the Firth Bridge and it took me more than 40 minutes each time to get fuelled up. I think it's fair to say that panic is already setting in.

Regards Sandra and Alison's comments on a general business forum, there was a poll on the following post http://www.scottishbusinessforums.co.uk/forums/forum-help-feedback/131-do-we-need-general-business-forum.html
asking this very question, there wasn't much response but the general consensus was it wasn't needed. My own view is that general forums become filled up with posts that really should be in other sections but it just seems easier to put it there. I'm not saying it would be abused like this here but that's my concern.

I would agree it's not clear where to put that post but I think it's the first post up until now that doesn't have a real home. I've tried to start these forums with as few as possible as I dont want millions of forums on every little topic with very few posts. I tried to pick titles that would pretty much cover most of what would be discussed on a business level. The poll on the other post is still live so i'm happy to take further comments :)
 
stugster

stugster

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It seems all I've done this week is refer to Richard Branson's book, but coincidentally, I've just finished the chapter "2006" where he discusses the need to invest and develop other fuels instead of unsustainable ones like Oil.

Branson mentions that people don't care about alternatives, and it is only in scenarios like this that people will think about other ways.

There were massive queues outside two of the petrol stations I passed today in Edinburgh. The only reason we will see shortages is if people panic buy like this.
 

Brian

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I think it's only natural that people will panic buy. The media certainly dont help in this respect, they stoke it up and make a major issue out of it. It's a chain reaction, people see petrol stations being busier than usual and then think they need to get in the queue before it all runs out.

You are correct as well Stuart people are ignorant to finding alternatives and it's only when something like this happens that people pay even the slightest amount of attention to it.

Brian IFA
 
I basically have to agree with what your saying Stugster.... Though people are just protecting their own interests. Folk need to get to work. And public transport is inadequate..

On my teaching days... DESPITE living in a village that has a train station on a line that runs to straight Glasgow...

To be sure of getting to work for my 10:00am lecture I'd need to be out the door at 7:10am. MY daughter would need to be put in a breaksfast club (
 

ahop23

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Of course there will be some shrtages because people have a very hard time controlling their urge to panic, and that type of panic is exactly what causes the long lines and even higher prices. There needs to be someone to get some affordable alternative sources out there to the public and quickly, but then again that will just eat into the oil industry's profits and they will have none of that!
 
There needs to be someone to get some affordable alternative sources out there to the public and quickly, but then again that will just eat into the oil industry's profits and they will have none of that!
If there was any will to do that there would be LPG pumps at every station, 1/3 of the cars on the road would be duel fuel, the fields would be full of oilseed and sugar beet earmarked for fuel..... Actually I'm wrong; that would have been the picture ten years ago...:confused:
 
stugster

stugster

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I have to admit to going to the petrol station and putting in more than usual..

I needed petrol though! I was on the orange light :eek: But, I decided to be safe than sorry and put in twice as much as I usually do.
 

Boxby

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Both sides of this dispute look very entrenched. I think it's going to take a big stick (maybe the Scot Exec) to resolve this. Maybe the very public reiterations of correlation between INEOS spending
 
Scottish Business Owner

Scottish Business Owner

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It looks like there are stations out already and some have started rationing. I had to go to three seperate stations last night to fill up as they all limited it to
 
stugster

stugster

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Glad to see we're all still so literate in Scotland! Inconvience???
 
TomB

TomB

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Glad to see we're all still so literate in Scotland! Inconvience???

Thats such a hard word to spell though all those letters:

inconvenience

i have to think about that word every time i write it.

God i hope the petrol station on ferry road has some.

I'm off ot musselburgh tomorrow night for a show maybe they have some there.

I knew i should have got it before!!

Mind you it only takes
 
nothing does

nothing does

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I need petrol to collect my sons from school tomorrow and now I'm starting to panic!
 

Brian McIntosh

New Member
Asda have said that the fuel shortages won't affect them as they don't get their supplies from Grangemouth. I drove past an Asda this afternoon and there was a queue nae handy.
 

Boxby

New Member
Check your ferry's CALMAC said that it was starting to cut back on ferry services as on today. Better make sure you're not going to end up sitting in a calmac terminal for a few hours, because those are just not exciting places!!
 
frockery

frockery

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Not a drop of diesel in Forfar today. :(

It's not looking good, but it was still the 3rd item down on the EBC earlier...
 
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