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Hi All,

Just to introduce myself, I am Jamie Kirk and i run my own creative agency in Glasgow. We provide solutions for:

Web Design
Logo and Graphic Design
PR & Marketing
Advertising
Global SMS
E-Marketing

We are looking to expand our services and are currently in the development of a new web based project management system.

Its always good to hear about local success stories

Jamie
 
Gordon N

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Welcome to the forums Jamie...

(Went for a nosey at your website, but its down with a 403!):(

Regards,

Gordon
 
Hiya Gordon,

Thanks for the intro, yeah the sites down for redevelopment, over the weekend seems to be the best time for our visiting pattern.

Ill have it back up probably tomorrow, Monday at latest.

Hows things where you are? Hope you are busy :)

Thanks

Welcome to the forums Jamie...

(Went for a nosey at your website, but its down with a 403!):(

Regards,

Gordon
 
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the sites down for redevelopment
Cool, it was just in case there was a problem and you weren't aware.

Hows things where you are? Hope you are busy :)
Early days for me - the business is only a few weeks old, currently up to me ears in marketing!! I've got a few leads in the pipeline, and with some good advice from this place I'm sure it will all take off soon! :)

Regards,

Gordon
 
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I have been trying to focus on my local area just now, word of mouth is the biggest sales tool up in this neck of the woods! However I am willing to spread a bit further for the right opportunity, for example I am working on a proposal for a Dunfermline based business just now.

The only problem I can see is that I am working on getting my portfolio filled first, and if I were to do overflow work would it not be badged as Cre8tive Solutions rather than Moray Web Solutions? If so I couldn't put it in my portfolio as it would look like I was 'borrowing' designs from other agencies!

I would be keen to see what you have available just now though if you want to sent me PM...

Regards,

Gordon
 
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Jamie,

Glad you are here, sound really interesting what you are developing.

Look forward to seeing more of your posts.

KInd regards

Gordon
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The only problem I can see is that I am working on getting my portfolio filled first, and if I were to do overflow work would it not be badged as Cre8tive Solutions rather than Moray Web Solutions?
Regards,

Gordon
Hiya

I normally allow the portfolio to be "shared" when assigning overflow work. I.E we both advertise the site as being completed as part of our portfolio, which in terms of location is perfect as we are unlikely to bid for the same projects in the near future.

hope this helps :)

J
 
Jamie,

Glad you are here, sound really interesting what you are developing.

Look forward to seeing more of your posts.

KInd regards

Gordon
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Many thanks for the intro Gordon, i also like the idea of Power Lunches, could prove to be a very valuable tool for me in the near future.

Jamie
 
An explanation here might be a good idea, reputations are a hard thing to build....

Do not deal with this guy - XXXXXXXXX he's a con man - Graphic Design Forum and Web Design Forum
Well; I'm well known for sounding the warning about wannabees and flim flam artists. But I'll be blunt in saying the fellow who's complaining about not getting paid hasn't painted themselves as a legitimate professional either. Working without a proper audit trail is absolute kid's stuff. And the starting point for that trail is the contract with the client.

I assume WILL remove what is a potentially libellous post. And for the benefit of the baffled the post (in another forum) linked to in the quote (I removed the link!) above alludes to an allegation that someone had not paid someone else for work they had done. And indeed was spamming many and various employment site seeking to suck others in to the same trap....

Students often moan about creative courses having a heavy business element; (my charges just LOVE the hour of Marketing followed by an hour of Law first thing on a Monday morning ;) ) this illustrates why we teach such things!!! Nowadays everyone and his dog thinks he can set up as a web designer. And working 'on the nod' is a dangerous thing to do.

Certainly I found myself unimpressed with what was placed online by the person who's integrity was being questioned. Mostly his own site didn't work! Which is NOT inspiring! And the trading name he was using is in fact that of a New Zealand based events management company. Then there's the MOBILE telephone number as his primary business contact... NO landline; don't recall seeing an address Business Names Act 1985 anyone?

Of course in terms of character assassination none of these things really add up to the proverbial hill of beans. What was just posted might however. And aggrieved and well-intentioned as they might be there remains the question of the defamation act.....

The complainant after all (according to the link they posted to another forum) has no proof the contract ever existed.... And whilst the warning is appreciated by all I'm sure; they might want to think about phrasing it in more 'restrained' terms.... Because right now what's out there does not reflect well on either party's professionalism.
 
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Gordon N

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Couldn't agree more Matt. I too find it very hard to deal with a business that hides behind nothing more than a mobile telephone number, no matter how genuine the business may be. I am also surprised at a fellow web designer who does not showcase any existing sites and who's own site is up and down like a yoyo. This is of course my own opinion formed by never having worked alongside him, but I would think long and hard about associating with any other designer or design firm on a project.

Time will tell I suppose, as always.

Regards,

Gordon
 
TomB

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Hi Guys,

Can i ask what is going on with this? I collaborated with Jamie for a project and never heard back from him. I signed a confidentiality agreemement so can't say what it was but basically i was doing the site and design and hosting and he was advertising it, marketing it and spiliting the revenue with me.

Nothing ever happened.

PM if you can't post as i see things have been removed from this thread.

Thanks

T
 
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Tom,

I deleted the post because I felt it was libellous. You cant register on a forum and then suddenly attack someone as being a conman which this individual did. If there are any issues with this guy duping people on this forum then please let me know so we can deal with it.
 
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Tom,

I deleted the post because I felt it was libellous. You cant register on a forum and then suddenly attack someone as being a conman which this individual did. If there are any issues with this guy duping people on this forum then please let me know so we can deal with it.
I quite agree, much as we know all know people or have had similar experience, there is element of professionalism in dealing with it a proper manner, know matter what the circumstances.

Yes, as Matt said the "complainer" certainly didn't come off smelling of roses when this is how he chose deal with it.

Gordon
 
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Tom,

I deleted the post because I felt it was libellous. You cant register on a forum and then suddenly attack someone as being a conman which this individual did. If there are any issues with this guy duping people on this forum then please let me know so we can deal with it.
I don't think there'd be much doubt about it. Definitely libellous. If you go over to the other forum you'll find that the person who was complaining about not being paid (which isn't necessarily the same one who posted here) mentions they have nothing in writing..... And presumably nothing to prove this ever happened.

Even IF these allegations are true and a warning to all is merited then the correct way to go about this is to objectively state the facts of the matter and offer a considered opinion based on those facts. But then if the 'victim' here was properly trained and qualified they'd know...

a) Enough about contracts and contract law to get by and not caught out like this...

b) Enough about the defamation act NOT to react in quite such a dangerous (to themselves) way...

I have formed an opinion of this matter myself. And was unsurprised by what I read this morning. But there are two sides to every story; and in the apparently amateurish circles these people appear to be moving in this could just as well be a 'commercial' [sic] rival trying to damage a competitor.
 
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Tom,

I deleted the post because I felt it was libellous. You cant register on a forum and then suddenly attack someone as being a conman which this individual did. If there are any issues with this guy duping people on this forum then please let me know so we can deal with it.
Sorry , I didn't mean anything about the delete, I just wondered what the post was and I didn't want anyone to get in trouble by publicly post what was said. I completely understand why you had deleted it.

I totally agree registering to post slander is unacceptable behaviour!

Matt - thanks for the PM filling in. I wonder what the legalities of my going ahead with the project would be without him having signed a confidentiality agreement.

I'll need to check it. I was a cracking design as well, i would hate to waste it.

Does anyone know what my stance could be on that?

T
 
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Sorry , I didn't mean anything about the delete, I just wondered what the post was and I didn't want anyone to get in trouble by publicly post what was said. I completely understand why you had deleted it.

I totally agree registering to post slander is unacceptable behaviour!

Matt - thanks for the PM filling in. I wonder what the legalities of my going ahead with the project would be without him having signed a confidentiality agreement.

I'll need to check it. I was a cracking design as well, i would hate to waste it.

Does anyone know what my stance could be on that?

T
Well; maybe you can sell the design on?

As with any creative project there absolutely MUST be a full audit trail. And that begins with the agreement between the two parties which states exactly who does , what, who owns what, how much it'll cost etc. etc.. etc...

No honest person has anything to fear from, or shies away from putting what they've agreed down on paper and signing it. Personally, if the other party has shied away from that then I would consider all bets off...

As for the NDA (Non Disclosure Agreement); well you wouldn't be selling on the design with any of his material anyway. You have the rights to what you create. And frankly I suspect we're talking about an individual who REALLY doesn't want to be within a mile of a court of law. Obviously I'm not in a position to give legal advice but I'll happily look over the paperwork for you and give you an informed opinion.


For reference....

https://www.getafreelancer.com/users/743174.html

Gives one public reflection of track record.....
 
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I tend not to sell designs as they custom the clients specifications.

I have all the correspondance, where it is clearly stated that i would design, host and maintain the site for 40% of the revenue.

to be honest i don't know why alarm bells didn't ring, when there was nothing in his website about any previous work, i suppose i just thought that everyone has to start somewhere.

The design is not his work, but the concept is his idea, but i would appreciate you looking it over matt, can i email it you when i get home tonight?

I think I have your email matt, but I can always PM you.

I think in future i will be a little more careful about who i select to work with :crying:

T
 
I tend not to sell designs as they custom the clients specifications.

I have all the correspondance, where it is clearly stated that i would design, host and maintain the site for 40% of the revenue.

to be honest i don't know why alarm bells didn't ring, when there was nothing in his website about any previous work, i suppose i just thought that everyone has to start somewhere.

The design is not his work, but the concept is his idea, but i would appreciate you looking it over matt, can i email it you when i get home tonight?

I think I have your email matt, but I can always PM you.

I think in future i will be a little more careful about who i select to work with :crying:

T
that's fine Tom; Glad to be of help. My main email is [email protected]

You're right; everyone does have to start somewhere. And a site full of 'previous work' is easy to fudge together. It's the 'jack of all trades' thing that aye rings alarm bells for me.....

* .NET
* AJAX
* ASP
* Banner Design
* Copywriting

* Data Entry
* Excel
* Flash
* Graphic Design
* Java
* Javascript
* Joomla
* JSP
* Logo Design
* Market Research

* OsCommerce
* Perl/CGI
* PHP
* Project Management
* Script Installation
* Training
* Website Design
* Website Security

* Windows
* XML


And from his posts here.....

PR & Marketing
Advertising


The ones I've marked in red are ALL specialisms that, to my certain knowledge, if you're going to offer as services in their own right, you need to either buy in the professional skills or spend years in formal study to learn properly.... PR and Marketing, Advertising, Project management, graphic design.... ALL professional level crafts that need 4 years of study plus years of experience to get to the stage where you can consider yourself a pro...

And there are a few others in that list that probably also fall into that category but I don't have the info to comment on....

When you see a broad brush of skills like that coming from a big company you know it's going to cost you because they're keeping specialists in each discipline on staff on competitive salaries. When you see a broad brush of skills coming from one person at best they'll be strong in one or two areas. What's dangerous is that they're taking what can only be a rudimentary knowledge of other complex disciplines and claiming expertise where none exists. Dangerous because it's not only the client's money they're taking but their business reputation is potentially at risk....

In short they're a 'jack of all trades' and master of none. NOt able to operate at a high level in any specialism they scratch about desperately trying to source scraps of work doing anything for anybody.....

The only field that's worse than the building trade for this type of 'operator' is the creative industries...
 
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